<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear Christian<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">thanks a lot for your reply.</div><div class="">Yes, but the data are the sum of electron and muon channel, as far as I can conclude </div><div class="">from the paper, since it is written:</div><div class="">"<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: CMR10;" class="">Since the electron and muon </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: CMMI10;" class="">Z </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: CMR10;" class="">boson decay channels are combined to increase </span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: CMR10;" class="">the precision of the signal fits to data.... "</span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers</div><div class="">Hannes</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 12.04.2015, at 20:58, Christian Gütschow <<a href="mailto:chris.g@cern.ch" class="">chris.g@cern.ch</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi Hannes,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">unfolded data has only been provided for the combined lepton channels, which is why the data points are the same for all three plugins. The default plugin will look for Z candidates in the electron channel. The two other plugins are just there for convenience, i.e. to allow users to specify the decay channel they want to look at.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In the data, the two lepton channels were found to be consistent with each other, so it's okay to compare their combination (i.e. the weighted average) to the individual lepton channels in MC.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class="">Chris</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On 12 April 2015 at 19:18, Hannes Jung <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:hannes.jung@desy.de" target="_blank" class="">hannes.jung@desy.de</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Andy<br class=""> <br class=""> thanks for your fsat reply.<br class=""> Yes, the versions for muon, electron are available, and<br class=""> one without specification, but it is the muon one...<br class=""> the data points are all the same.... the combined ones, I guess.<br class=""> <br class=""> Thanks again<br class=""> Cheers<br class=""> <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888" class="">hannes<br class=""> </font></span><span class="im HOEnZb"><br class=""> > On 12.04.2015, at 19:46, Andy Buckley <<a href="mailto:andy.buckley@cern.ch" class="">andy.buckley@cern.ch</a>> wrote:<br class=""> ><br class=""> > On 12/04/15 17:07, Hannes Jung wrote:<br class=""> >> Dear Rivet experts<br class=""> >><br class=""> >> I was wondering, how the comparison of ATLAS_2014_I1306294<br class=""> >> to the data points from the measurements should be interpreted:<br class=""> >> it seems the rivet plugin either works for the electron OR muon<br class=""> >> channel, while the data points are the sum of both.<br class=""> >><br class=""> >> Is it correct, that one cannot directly compare the result from the<br class=""> >> Rivet plugin with the data ?<br class=""> ><br class=""> > Hi Hannes, I think Gavin Hesketh (identified as the author of this<br class=""> > plugin at e.g. <a href="https://rivet.hepforge.org/analyses#ATLAS_2014_I1306294" target="_blank" class="">https://rivet.hepforge.org/analyses#ATLAS_2014_I1306294</a>)<br class=""> > is on the Rivet list, but I've CC'd him explicitly. Typically analysis<br class=""> > authors will know more details than the Rivet authors do... but I hope<br class=""> > that the analyses *have* all been written so that MC tuns can be<br class=""> > compared directly to the data... that's the point!<br class=""> ><br class=""> >> Why are the electron and muon channels done in separate plugins,<br class=""> >> and not added as was done in the data ?<br class=""> ><br class=""> > To me it looks like all versions are available... no?<br class=""> ><br class=""> >> PS: I am running Rivet 2.2.1<br class=""> ><br class=""> > Hurrah! ;-)<br class=""> ><br class=""> > Andy<br class=""> ><br class=""> > --<br class=""> > Dr Andy Buckley, Lecturer / Royal Society University Research Fellow<br class=""> > Particle Physics Expt Group, University of Glasgow<br class=""> <br class=""> </span><span class="im HOEnZb">***********************************************************************<br class=""> Hannes Jung<br class=""> Email: <a href="mailto:Hannes.Jung@desy.de" class="">Hannes.Jung@desy.de</a><br class=""> mobile :<a href="tel:%2B49%2040%208998%2093741" value="+4940899893741" class="">+49 40 8998 93741</a><br class=""> <a href="http://www.desy.de/~jung" target="_blank" class="">http://www.desy.de/~jung</a><br class=""> Tel: <a href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%2040%208998%203741" value="+494089983741" class="">+49 (0) 40 8998 3741</a><br class=""> Fax: <a href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%2040%208994%203741" value="+494089943741" class="">+49 (0) 40 8994 3741</a><br class=""> DESY, CMS 01B/02.213<br class=""> Notkestr.85, 22603 Hamburg, FRG<br class=""> ***********************************************************************<br class=""> <br class=""> <br class=""> <br class=""> </span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br class=""> Rivet mailing list<br class=""> <a href="mailto:Rivet@projects.hepforge.org" class="">Rivet@projects.hepforge.org</a><br class=""> <a href="https://www.hepforge.org/lists/listinfo/rivet" target="_blank" class="">https://www.hepforge.org/lists/listinfo/rivet</a><br class=""> </div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>-- <br class=""><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> Dr. Christian Gütschow</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> TU Dresden</div><div class=""> Institut für Kern- und Teilchenphysik</div><div class=""> Zellescher Weg 19</div><div class=""> 01069 Dresden</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> > E17, Andreas-Schubert-Bau<span style="font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11px;" class=""> </span></div><div class=""> > <a href="mailto:chris.g@cern.ch" target="_blank" class="">chris.g@cern.ch</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div> </div> </div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div apple-content-edited="true" class=""> ***********************************************************************<br class="">Hannes Jung <br class="">Email: <a href="mailto:Hannes.Jung@desy.de" class="">Hannes.Jung@desy.de</a> <br class="">mobile :+49 40 8998 93741<br class=""><a href="http://www.desy.de/~jung" class="">http://www.desy.de/~jung</a> <br class="">Tel: +49 (0) 40 8998 3741 <br class="">Fax: +49 (0) 40 8994 3741<br class="">DESY, CMS 01B/02.213<br class="">Notkestr.85, 22603 Hamburg, FRG <br class="">***********************************************************************<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> </div> <br class=""></div></body></html>