<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> </head> <body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "> <div><br> </div> <div>Hello Andy, </div> <div><br> </div> <div>I found the source of this difference. Please have a look at these plots:</div> <div><a href="http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ssen/LPCC/DEBUG/aliceDiffraction/plots/">http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ssen/LPCC/DEBUG/aliceDiffraction/plots/</a></div> <div><br> </div> <div>I think you run over inelastic + elastic events (e.g., "softQCD:all = on" in pythia8) and it seems that elastic events are not killed by the cuts in the Rivet routine. if you look at the inel plot, we fill it for each event and when you run over inel+el, of course you end up with a larger cross-section. We should either add a trigger cut to kill elastic events or only run over inelastic events. However, I haven't realized such a trigger cut in the paper or never heard from Martin. Do we need this cut or is it ok to run over inel ??</div> <div><br> </div> <div>I checked similar issues 2-3 months ago and have a small list of analyses which do not include such trigger cuts and the resulting distributions are really depend on the steering files of the generators. </div> <div><br> </div> <div>For example this analysis does not include a trigger cut and info file suggest to run over NSD events. If you add SD or elastic events, you observe a large normalization issue: </div> <div><a href="http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ssen/LPCC/DEBUG/MinBiasParam/CMS_2010_S8656010_el/">http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ssen/LPCC/DEBUG/MinBiasParam/CMS_2010_S8656010_el/</a></div> <div><br> </div> <div>By the way, in my previous email I was asking which tune did you run and so on. Because, on my Mac 10.6.8, Safari 5.1.7, your plots didn't correctly show up. please see first attachment. Only the first two distributions (legends) were visible. Later, when I clicked on one of the plot, I realized that you had ctau and 4C distributions as well.. second attachment. </div> <div><br> </div> <div> <blockquote type="cite"> <div>(By the way, should a ctau cut be used<br> with this analysis? This should be specified in the RunInfo. ATLAS<br> generator level plots ~always keep Ks and Lambda stable with a "> 10mm =<br> stable" requirement.)</div> </blockquote> <br> </div> <div>Yes, ctau cut should be used. </div> <div><br> </div> <div> <blockquote type="cite"> <div>Ok, thanks! That makes a big difference obviously: was the analysis done<br> with a tracking system or a calorimeter? Since it's particle-level I<br> have to assume the latter: it's hard/impossible to exactly equate<br> calorimeter clusters/towers with primary particles due to conversions, etc.</div> </blockquote> <br> </div> <div>It measures only charged particles at the detector level (Martin can correct if I am wrong), however, I check the distributions with FinalState and/or ChargedFinalState projections just for my curiosity. Using ChargedFinalState Projection is ok both for SD and DD, and also this gives the same/reasonable results with the hadron level MC used in this analysis. </div> <div><br> </div> <div>Thanks, Cheers, </div> <div>Sercan</div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div><img id="0a62f19b-0285-442d-a276-e14d47c15860" height="687" width="1199" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:C02F5F81-2E1D-407C-8253-41FDD2DCCBEA"></div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div><img id="b07c45b7-ca55-46cc-853f-96b97797f342" height="515" width="572" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:A587D6B4-D5D3-4D4C-8CE0-F7B4E7764E1E"></div> <div><br> </div> <br> <div> <div>On Dec 7, 2012, at 7:35 PM, Andy Buckley wrote:</div> <br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite"> <div>On 07/12/12 19:13, Sercan Sen wrote:<br> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">Hi Andy, <br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">some comments inline - <br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">I actually ended up rewriting the analysis this morning because it<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">needed a lot of cleaning up (and it shrank by almost a factor of two in<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">the process!). I've checked both analysis versions with Pythia8.170 and<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">get exactly the same answers, so I think it's fine.<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">Thanks for checking this routine so quickly and for the clean up. It's<br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">good to hear that you get the same results after all these modifications. <br> </blockquote> <br> I was a bit amazed ;) And very pleased to not have to debug where I had<br> introduced a difference!<br> <br> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">However, the answers<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">that I got with Pythia8 were *very* different from the ones you showed:<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">I think you run Pythia8.170 with the default tune ? What I sent before<br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">was Pythia8.165 with tune4C (default). Let me run the jobs again also<br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">with Pythia8.170 to see what is going on. <br> </blockquote> <br> I was running Pythia8 with tune 4Cx. I also had a ctau = 10mm cut<br> enabled, which I thought might have had an effect, but I turned it off<br> and saw only very small changes. (By the way, should a ctau cut be used<br> with this analysis? This should be specified in the RunInfo. ATLAS<br> generator level plots ~always keep Ks and Lambda stable with a "> 10mm =<br> stable" requirement.)<br> <br> I also ran with tune 4C, which affects the INEL distributions but not<br> the diffractive ones -- as would be expected (that's why I wasn't very<br> bothered about which tune I used).<br> <br> I've updated my plots to include these extra runs.<br> <br> <blockquote type="cite">Also, my suspicious is that we had two versions of the routine with a<br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">minor difference about using FinalState or ChargedFinalState projection.<br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">I am going to check it if this is the case. <br> </blockquote> <br> Ok, thanks! That makes a big difference obviously: was the analysis done<br> with a tracking system or a calorimeter? Since it's particle-level I<br> have to assume the latter: it's hard/impossible to exactly equate<br> calorimeter clusters/towers with primary particles due to conversions, etc.<br> <br> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://users.hepforge.org/~buckley/plots-ALICE_2012_I1181770/ALICE_2012_I1181770/index.html">http://users.hepforge.org/~buckley/plots-ALICE_2012_I1181770/ALICE_2012_I1181770/index.html</a><br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">Mainly for Sercan's interest, my rewritten version of the<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">code is here:<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"><a href="https://rivet.hepforge.org/trac/browser/branches/2012-06-aidarivet/src/Analyses/ALICE_2012_I1181770.cc">https://rivet.hepforge.org/trac/browser/branches/2012-06-aidarivet/src/Analyses/ALICE_2012_I1181770.cc</a><br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">Note that this won't actually work with the current Rivet release, as I<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">added a FinalState::particlesByRapidity() method which this analysis<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">highlighted as a missing bit of functionality.<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">Since there is no particlesByRapidity() method in the current release,<br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">we order the particles by rapidity and find the most forward / backward<br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">particles etc. in the routine. I am sure the style is not good, no<br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">doubt : ) but gives the same results.<br> </blockquote> <br> Yes, hence no real complaint! But if you do come across missing features<br> like this (I guess you probably looked for a particlesByRapidity() and<br> didn't find it) then please ask and we'll try to be helpful. It took me<br> a couple of minutes to add, since the sorting functor for rapidity (and<br> |y|) already existed.<br> <br> You could have done the sorting by hand using std::sort and that<br> cmpParticleByRapidity function, but I'm not surprised if people don't<br> find that sort of "semi-internal" functionality that we don't advertise!<br> <br> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">Using this and<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">calculating the eta-ordered gap sizes into a vector eliminated a lot of<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">fiddly code. <br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">I really like this part of the code. I can also update ATLAS inelastic<br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">rivet routine later by doing something similar to this. <br> </blockquote> <br> Cool :-) That would be great... and if you happen to update it before<br> the release (the beta is about to go for testing) then we'll happily put<br> the tidied-up version into 1.8.2.<br> <br> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">Finally, I have removed the use of a random number to handle the case<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">when two floats are exactly equal. This has a negligible occurrence if<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">there are no special values that the float will tend to appear at, and<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">as Hendrik pointed out to me "if that's a problem, what do you do when<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">the random number is exactly 0.5?" ;-)<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">we generate a double precision number between 0 and 1 and I would not<br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">worry about the possibility of having a number exactly equals to<br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">0.500000... But I agree one should add a "=" to the following<br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">line "(double)rand() / (double)RAND_MAX >*=* 0.5". I personally don't<br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">expect any difference on the results by using the fastest or slowest<br> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">particle information when the generated number is exactly 0.5...<br> </blockquote> <br> It wasn't a real question... the point is that we would never consider,<br> say, generating a second random number to deal with the case where<br> rand/RAND_MAX is exactly 0.5, so why attempt to handle the equally<br> unlikely case where eta1 == eta2? :)<br> <br> Have a good weekend,<br> Andy<br> <br> <br> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">On 06/12/12 18:22, Andy Buckley wrote:<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">Thanks Sercan,<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">We were just about to release a new tarball for testing, but will get<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">this in first! (I'll do the build integration for this one, Hendrik).<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">Andy<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">On 06/12/12 17:22, Sercan Sen wrote:<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">Dear all,<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">Attached is the Rivet plug-in for diffractive and total inelastic cross<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">section measurements paper from ALICE,<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://arxiv.org/pdf/1208.4968.pdf">http://arxiv.org/pdf/1208.4968.pdf</a>.<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">We check the plug-in & results with M. Poghosyan (in cc) who is the<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">analysis contact of this paper in ALICE.<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">plots:<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ssen/LPCC/Rivet/ALICE_2012_I1181770/plots/">http://www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~ssen/LPCC/Rivet/ALICE_2012_I1181770/plots/</a><br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">Thanks for including it for the next release.<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">Cheers,<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">Sercan<br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"><br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> 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